Skandenbergul sport olimpic ?

[Cristian Anghelache]

Pe scurt: NU ;D


WAF a incercat sa colaboreze cu FILA (Fédération Internationale des Luttes Associées), dar intalnirea cruciala dintre WAF si FILA, aranjata de Simon Berriochoa, a fost un dezastru.

Iar colaborarea cu FILA era cam singura sansa ca skandenbergul sa devina sport olimpic, deoarece IOC (International Olympic Committee) nu isi doreste sa adauge noi sporturi.

Acum WAF simte faptul ca este o idee buna sa se alature acestui grup, in care sunt deja foarte multe sporturi:

SportAccord

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(Eu doar am tradus, si am explicat unii termeni folositi de Leonard Harkless pe northeastboard):

Leonard Harkless pe northeastboard:

" I just had a conversation with Cobra today about this very subject.
Simon did a ton of work and set up a crucial meeting with WAF and FILA. I have to say that it was a disaster, and our only way into the Olympics was mishandled. Now WAF has this feel good idea that if we just join this group called SportAccor". Now don't get me wrong there are some great associations that are a member of this body such as FILA that we have talked about in the past but the IOC is not adding sports and have called for less and not more. "

[Cristian Anghelache]

FILA - Controversies

" Pelle Svensson, a former two-time world champion (Greco-Roman 100 kg class) and member of board of FILA from 1990 to 2007, has described FILA as an inherently corrupt organization.[11] During the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, Svensson served as chairman of the disciplinary committee of FILA.[11] As he was watching the final in the men's Greco-Roman wrestling 84 kg class between Alexei Michine from Russia and Ara Abrahamian from Sweden, Svensson witnessed how the Russian team leader Mikhail Mamiashvili was giving signs to the referee.[11] When Svensson approached him and informed him that this was not allowed according to the rules, Mamiashvili responded by saying: "you should know that this may lead to your death".[11] Svensson later found proof that the Romanian referee was bribed (according to Svensson the referee had received over one million SEK).[11] Mamiashvili currently serves as a member of board of FILA.[11] "

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1 SEK ~ 0.4800 Ron - cursvalutar.rol.ro/istoric/SEK ;D

[Emanuel Panfil]

e vorba despre interese financiare dincolo de puterea noastra de intelegere. poate se ocupa mafia rusa si ne vedem minunatul sport la jocurile olimpice

[George Badea]

Mamiashvili a raspuns ceva de genu: " Не ебет с русской мафией "

[Cristian Anghelache]

Dec 19, 2011 19:57:39 GMT 2 Emanuel Panfil said:

e vorba despre interese financiare dincolo de puterea noastra de intelegere. poate se ocupa mafia rusa si ne vedem minunatul sport la jocurile olimpice

Dec 19, 2011 20:09:08 GMT 2 George Badea said:

Mamiashvili a raspuns ceva de genu: " Не ебет с русской мафией "

Avand in vedere ca MIKHAIL MAMIASHVILI este presedintele federatiei ruse de lupte, si in continuare membru de baza in FILA, orice este posibil... ;D

Poate vede Mamiashvili videoclipul in care Cyplenkov este goodfella, si decide brusc ca skandenbergul are potential de olimpiada... ;D

Стриж - Доброе утро (Swift - Good Morning)

[Cristian Anghelache]

A aparut si explicatia, pentru cei curiosi sa afle de ce intalnirea cruciala dintre WAF si FILA a fost un dezastru. Cei doi (Fred si Willy) mentionati de Leonard Harkless sunt: Fred Roy - presedintele WAF; Willy Deneumostier - secretarul general WAF.

Pe scurt: Reprezentantii WAF au lasat de inteles reprezentantilor FILA ca membrii WAF sunt prea saraci ca sa plateasca darile (sanction fee) catre FILA, si cam atunci s-a rupt filmul. ;D
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Leonard Harkless pe northeastboard:

" I will have to go back and look at the minutes, I don't remember if it was Fred and Willy or just Willy but they didn't want to do the essential things that FILA wanted and more important they told FILA that we were too poor to pay sanction fees and our members did not have the money to join FILA. At that point it was over.
This thing is all about memberships for FILA, that is their only incentive to take in a sport like armwrestling. If we start out telling them that we are too poor then the deals off the table. "

[Cristian Anghelache]

Tony Kaiser pe northeastboard:

" Just got off the phone with MR. Fred Roy. He seems to be a great guy and has a genuine love for the sport. It seems that in the past few years they have been trying to get recognized and one of the hold ups i was told was that the people that recognize you was changed so they had to start over. They are going to be submitting the paperwork very soon i was told. We do meet all the criteria except one. We are supposed to have a bank account with 50,000 dollars in it to show that we are a well funded sport (My understanding). We do not have this, but they are still planning on submitting the paperwork. I have no doubt that if they (WAF) are willing to put it in a trust that is used only to show we have it we would have no problem getting this together if it gets us a step closer to being in the olympics. The WAF is also working on getting us in the world games in 2013. "
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Se pare ca exista totusi si o raza de speranta. Daca si in realitate este vorba doar de 50.000 $, asta nu ar fi o problema asa de mare... 50.000 $ nu reprezinta o problema, avand in vedere cate tari membre are WAF - www.worldarmwrestlingfederation.com/membercountries.htm ... Problema reala este ca acesti bani sunt probabil doar cei oficiali, cine stie de cati bani o fi nevoie in mod neoficial...

[Cristian Anghelache]

John Brzenk pe facebook:

" Olympics won't make armwrestling great. Only Once armwrestling is great ....will it then be accepted into the Olympics. "

[Cristian Anghelache]

What prevents us from joining the Sport Accord?

Willy Deneumostier on Bulgarian Newspaper

" Dear colleagues, dear EAF members,

From the unification since 2002, that I’ve done, until this day, all my efforts, together with the efforts of the members of EAF executive board, were focused on one goal only: raising the level of our sport Armwrestling to the highest level that it deserves.

Always leading for us was the democratic way of working, and with joint efforts we have created order and discipline in our organization in every aspect. The Armwrestling popularity in Europe rejoices a huge number of TV fans. The organization of our European Championships takes place already at the highest possible level. All this gives me the right to be proud of our work through all these years.

As you know, during our regular congress meeting in Gdansk (Poland) are forthcoming the elections for a new executive board of EAF. Unfortunately, I have to share with you and to convict an unsigned act - SABOTAGE, organized by the current General Secretary of WAF Willy Deneumostier. I attach you the mails, that Willy has written to the member of the executive board of EAF Alexander Filimonov, where Willy has tried behind the scenes to make a breakthrough in our organization, offering positions in EAF and WAF, as if it’s own business. I attach also the reply of Sasha Filimonov concerning the ugly proposal of Willy.

Today, Willy Deneumostier has a valid disciplinary sanction imposed by the European Federation (500 EUR penalty and 2 years deprivation of any activities in Armwrestling), because of his absolutely indecent behavior - drunk, doing a striptease during the official banquet at the World Championships in 2007 in Bulgaria, damaging the image of our sport (also, I attach an article, published in one of the central Bulgarian newspapers).

In our history until now, anyone has allowed such action, as in his letters except for a take-over, Willy talks even about a new split of the European Federation. From the letters it is unfortunately clear, that this provocation is made with the support of the President of the WAF Fred Roy - what is even more regrettable. They accuse me and the EAF-directorate, that we prevent our adoption in Sport Accor & Olympic Games - which is an absolute lie. Neither I, nor any from the EAF directors is trying to prevent any kind of you, the national federations, to prepare all necessary documents required by Sport Accor. WAF as our World Federation is the only one, that should prepare the necessary documentation required by Sport Accor (letters from each national federation, which prove, that it’s approved by national sports ministries and Olympic committees in the concrete country). I’m perplexed by such kind of accusation, addressed to me and to our directorate.

All these facts speak of a desperate attempt of Willy Deneumostier to preserve his positions in our sport, as this once again show his low morale and his readiness to trample all our efforts we have invested in all recent years.

I am responsible to say, that man with such behavior can not be our leader, much less he can be the face of our sport in front of Sport Accor, World Games and International Olympic Committee.

According to EAF rules, on the forthcoming elections will be submitted to vote only these candidatures, that are received 3 months before the congress meeting of the European Federation. I look forward to see you all at the upcoming European Championship.

Best Regards

Assen Hadjitodorov

President of EAF "

A Letter from Alexander Filimonov

Letter From EAF President Assen Hadjitodorov

Willy's letter to Filimonov #1

Willy's letter to Filimonov #2


Sursa: www.eaf-armwrestling.com/index.php

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TELENOVELA ADEVARATA, LA NIVEL INALT !!!

[Cristian Anghelache]

Raspunsurile din partea lui Fred Roy (presedintele WAF) pentru Assen Hadjitodorov (presedintele EAF), postate de Willy Deneumostier pe pagina de facebook Sknx Skandenberg:

" Good day Assen;
When we e-mail each other about this matter I want all of the Executive copied on this. It is a WAF matter and something that has to be cleared up. It is like a cancer and it is dragging everybody down. I am very tired o...f this and you have to resolve it!!!

By reading your reply you have answered the question we ask. 5 years ago you suspended Willy and it was done! The terms of your suspension crippled WAF as well as the EAF. It should be done and over but it isn’t. It seems that you and Igor and whichever other advisors you have think that by keeping Willy “suspended” that you are keeping your problem away. By burrowing your head into the sand it does not make your problem go away. Pretending that all is taken care of with a suspension is quite naïve. It is still there, bigger than life itself! Now you have another bigger problem and Igor M. is feeding his propaganda on the internet that Willy is leading a major conspiracy to overthrow the EAF. You know that this is not true! The letter is a list of candidates who have been nominated for positions of election or appointments, nominees who have let their name stand for election, a democratic election that is to take place at the EAF AGM in Poland. It’s not you or Igor or Willy that will decide the outcome, it should be the membership!!! Let the membership decide. If you want to get rid of anyone, let the membership decide. There is nothing more profound than what an electorate body decides. If the majority say “NO” than you have solved your problem and with much more efficiency than a continuous suspension that is dragging everyone down. What are you scared of? If Willy is such a villian and a terrible person let the membership decide. Give yourself the biggest favor you could ever do and hold a truly democratic election at your AGM.

Everyone is very sick and tired of this on going bickering. We are spending unnecessary energy on this and valuable time. The WAF Executive have decided collectively in a democratic vote to lift these suspensions. We have given you a window of opportunity to handle this matter in the proper way that I have suggested so please do it. I ask you to tell Igor to issue a letter of apology to all the nominees on Willy’s list. They are not conspirators, but very respected and talented athletes and individuals from all over Europe. We are all on the same side here Assen. Do the right thing and face this head on, once and for all! Resolve it!

Regards

Fred

From: fred roy

Sent: 03/22/12 06:11 PM

To: Assen Hadjitodorov, Fred Roy, [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], Fred Roy, Joey Costello, [e-mail], [e-mail], Vladimir Drexler, Willy Deneumostier

Subject: Re: Electronic Ballotting #3

Good day Assen;
WOW! I can’t believe that you are turning a simple democratic vote into an absolute nightmare! This incident was 5 years ago....five years ago!!! You suspended Willy for two years, fined him and he served it. He apologized in public at the AGM! What more do you want? Your absolute hatred and fixation on this matter is not normal. You and your “advisers” are so focused on trying to keep Willy out that you don’t care who you drag down and you are missing the most important democratic tool you have, your membership.

No I don’t support or protect that kind of behaviour and I have waited out the suspension. My goal and vision is on the sport of armwrestling and promoting it, not my self interests.

The EAF membership are so tired of your bickering between Willy and you. You don’t listen to any of the requests of your membership and seem to focus only on how to keep Willy away. Well Assen, then don’t take on the role of dictator and instead ask your membership to decide. In the democratic process it is the membership that decide. If they don’t want Willy or you or Igor or anybody else let them decide and run a truly democrat election without coercion or brow beating. Already Igor is running letters on the internet trying to make people believe that a nominee list that Willy has put forward is a mass plot to overthrow the present EAF Executive. He obviously doesn’t read or understand your constitution because the nominee list was suppose to reach the General Secretary by March 13 and is what should have been expected from him. He or you have obviously not done this, so in reality, if you followed your constitution you would automatically not be eligible for an election.

Further to add strength to what I say about your lack of respect for the WAF or democratic process, you threaten the WAF with blackmail and extortion that if a democratic vote goes against what you believe, that you would send letters to the very organizations that we are trying to become members into. That is very petty and arrogant in your thinking and totally exposes your true character. You are not dealing with people that you think you can threaten.

You are so fixed on your vendetta against Willy, that you have not even remarked or voted on the other two proposals. The mood of the EAF membership is reflected in the frustration you can feel in their correspondence to me. The mood of the WAF Executive in this matter as well is reflected in the results in the vote of these 3 proposals.

I think you have some real soul searching to do Assen. You are truly missing the big picture of the WAF goals and seem to be focused on something else.

Yours in armwrestling;

Fred Roy "

[Cristian Anghelache]

Leonard Harkless pe northeastboard:

" Bill we can get into Sport Accor and it will mean nothing.
Armwrestling is not going to be a Olympic sport because we got into that group. This whole drive to join Sport Accor is a diversion to keep the countries occupied and thinking that something positive is being done. Nothing wrong with joining but no one should be deluded into thinking that it means a hill a beans for Olympics. "

[Cristian Anghelache]

Leonard Harkless - northeastboard:

" To me as a simple armwrestler it is like this.
He was given a punishment for his actions and now 5 years later, it has not been followed or adhered to. Then because he does not want to do the "Time" so to speak, the big daddy wants to nullify the punishment. To me as a simple armwrestler that ain't right. JMO "

[Cristian Anghelache]

Distractia continua...

DEMOCRATION? NO! SABOTAGE!

" The people whom it’s even hard to call “activists” of our sport. During the World Armwrestling Championships, which have just begun in Brazil the WAF congress was supposed to take place. One of the point of the program are elections of the Federation authorities. One of the candidate is the President of the EAF Assen Hadjitodorow.

Assen was chosen for the next at the EAF Congress, Turing XXII European Championships, which took place in Poland (Gdansk).

I was observing the whole EAF Congress as a journalist, I taking notes of every sentence and it was all recorded on videos. The Congress, in the following votes executed the whole agenda including acceptance of the financial report. Each successive step was put to the vote by the authorized delegates, whose mandates had already been checked.

At the end of the Congress none of the delegates made any additional proposal, no one negated resolutions and decisions that were passed, including personal ones.

Whereas today, in Brazil during the proceedings of the EAF preceding the WAF Congress it turned out that a group which can simply be called saboteurs are calling into question the procedure of the election in Poland!

Fred Roy and sixteen other people who as a matter of fact seem to be disoriented and scared, took an initiative, which is said to be signed by 16 people, aiming at obstructing candidacy of Assen Hadjitodorow for the WAF authorities.

Why?

Under a veil of poor administration of the European Federation, under a veil of malpractice of democratic procedures during the election and wrong settlement of the Federation budget.

As a witness of the Congress and a participant of the organizational team of the EuroArm2012 I was able to observe the whole proceedings and the whole Championships. In my opinion all witnesses, all participants of the Congress, delegates of particular countries should reject all those rubbish!

Assen was chosen in democratic elections. The budget of the Federation was voted through. The evidence of that are protocols, video recordings and participants accounts. It can’t be call into question!

So what are the people who are questioning it guided by? Don’t delude yourselves! That’s only a wish to destroy current, long-term output of the EAF and people in its vanguard. The output of succeeding events on a high organizational and sports level. The output of the increasing popularity of Armwrestling.

I’m appealing to all the participants of the Congress, who will be detaining in Brazil in a minute and to all those participants of national Federations, who delegated their representatives to the Congress. Don’t let anyone to manipulate yourselves!

Let’s do all we can to stabilise functioning of our structures and not to demolish it!

PeSzy "

[Cristian Anghelache]

The Olympic Dream is over for Armwrestling. Joining SportAccord should be our target now
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Pentru cei care inca mai continuau sa spere ca vor vedea skandenbergul la olimpiada, lucrurile ar trebui sa fie clare acum.

[Cristian Anghelache]

Raphaël Martinetti resigns from FILA Presidency │16 February 2013